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    <p begin="00:00:03.57" dur="00:00:05.54">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: So we welcome<br/>everybody to the meeting this morning.</p>
    <p begin="00:00:09.11" dur="00:00:05.82">And I want to thank all of you for<br/>coming because we know you all are very,</p>
    <p begin="00:00:14.93" dur="00:00:04.54">very busy professionals in the fields<br/>of medicine, public health and advocacy,</p>
    <p begin="00:00:19.47" dur="00:00:05.33">and you&apos;ve come from far and wide to<br/>attend this meeting on crib bumpers</p>
    <p begin="00:00:24.80" dur="00:00:02.13">because it&apos;s a really important issue,</p>
    <p begin="00:00:26.93" dur="00:00:04.30">and we recognize that you believe<br/>it to be so and we agree with you.</p>
    <p begin="00:00:31.23" dur="00:00:04.69">So just a word of history, I think<br/>you all know that in May of 2013,</p>
    <p begin="00:00:35.92" dur="00:00:04.37">the commission granted a petition from the<br/>Juvenile Products Manufacturers Association</p>
    <p begin="00:00:40.29" dur="00:00:04.61">for the commission to address the<br/>risks associated with crib bumpers.</p>
    <p begin="00:00:44.90" dur="00:00:04.40">In granting the petition, the commission<br/>instructed staff to look beyond the specifics</p>
    <p begin="00:00:49.30" dur="00:00:05.00">of the petition request to identify any and all<br/>regulatory actions the commission might take</p>
    <p begin="00:00:54.30" dur="00:00:03.60">to address the risk of injury<br/>associated with bumpers.</p>
    <p begin="00:00:57.90" dur="00:00:05.90">In response to the commission&apos;s direction on<br/>September 12th of this year, CPSC submitted--</p>
    <p begin="00:01:03.80" dur="00:00:03.42">staff submitted a briefing package to us.</p>
    <p begin="00:01:07.22" dur="00:00:05.72">In it, as I understand it, staff<br/>estimated based on their evaluation</p>
    <p begin="00:01:12.94" dur="00:00:05.17">of the 100 plus fatalities known to the<br/>commission where a crib bumper was present</p>
    <p begin="00:01:18.11" dur="00:00:03.91">in the sleep environment that on average only</p>
    <p begin="00:01:22.02" dur="00:00:05.52">about one suffocation death every other<br/>year could be attributed to crib bumpers.</p>
    <p begin="00:01:27.54" dur="00:00:05.63">I certainly appreciate the professionalism<br/>and dedication of CPSC staff but I am aware</p>
    <p begin="00:01:33.17" dur="00:00:03.31">that other experts in the field<br/>have looked at the same data</p>
    <p begin="00:01:36.48" dur="00:00:05.02">and other information have reached different<br/>conclusions about the risk of crib bumpers.</p>
    <p begin="00:01:41.50" dur="00:00:03.02">It&apos;s always been my practice in<br/>situations like this to listen</p>
    <p begin="00:01:44.52" dur="00:00:01.90">to all voices who wish to be heard.</p>
    <p begin="00:01:46.42" dur="00:00:04.42">So I&apos;ve agreed to meet with those who wish<br/>to comment on staff&apos;s analysis especially</p>
    <p begin="00:01:50.84" dur="00:00:05.82">with respect to assessing and interpreting the<br/>fatality and injury data before the agency.</p>
    <p begin="00:01:56.66" dur="00:00:04.07">I should also add at this point that last<br/>week a majority of the commission voted</p>
    <p begin="00:02:00.73" dur="00:00:04.57">to commence rulemaking under Section<br/>104 of the Consumer Product Safety Act</p>
    <p begin="00:02:05.30" dur="00:00:03.26">to address the hazards associated<br/>with crib bumpers.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:08.56" dur="00:00:05.95">Under this approach, the agency can regulate<br/>crib bumpers as durable infant products,</p>
    <p begin="00:02:14.51" dur="00:00:05.78">and we have Nancy Cowles here who was very<br/>involved in the drafting of Section 104</p>
    <p begin="00:02:20.29" dur="00:00:03.23">and we&apos;re delighted to have her here<br/>so she can make any relevant comments</p>
    <p begin="00:02:23.52" dur="00:00:04.57">about the advantages of rulemaking<br/>under Section 104.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:28.09" dur="00:00:04.87">As I&apos;ve said, I want this meeting to<br/>be about you, your data, and expertise.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:32.96" dur="00:00:05.13">I don&apos;t-- I want this to be a dialog between us<br/>and between you, so please don&apos;t be surprised</p>
    <p begin="00:02:38.09" dur="00:00:03.37">if I interrupt you mid-slide<br/>to ask you questions,</p>
    <p begin="00:02:41.46" dur="00:00:03.34">and feel free to ask one another<br/>questions or make comments</p>
    <p begin="00:02:44.80" dur="00:00:02.38">as people make their presentations.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:47.18" dur="00:00:03.77">I remind observers that the only<br/>speakers today will be the panelists.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:50.95" dur="00:00:04.64">If you have questions for them, I&apos;m sure<br/>they would be happy to discuss them with you</p>
    <p begin="00:02:55.59" dur="00:00:04.27">after the panel either by<br/>phone or through email.</p>
    <p begin="00:02:59.86" dur="00:00:01.77">Let me repeat one point.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:01.63" dur="00:00:01.65">This is my meeting.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:03.28" dur="00:00:04.62">I&apos;m not intending to be possessive<br/>about it, but I&apos;m one commissioner</p>
    <p begin="00:03:07.90" dur="00:00:02.35">with a group of outside technical expert.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:10.25" dur="00:00:04.25">This is not an official hearing of the<br/>Consumer Product Safety Commission.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:14.50" dur="00:00:05.07">I&apos;m pleased that there are staffs of other<br/>commissioners in attendance, and I invite anyone</p>
    <p begin="00:03:19.57" dur="00:00:02.73">who wishes to arrange a meeting<br/>with them to do so.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:22.30" dur="00:00:02.50">I&apos;m sure they&apos;d be delighted to talk to you.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:24.80" dur="00:00:03.90">As a point of information, because the<br/>commission has voted to proceed with rulemaking</p>
    <p begin="00:03:28.70" dur="00:00:05.00">on crib bumpers, I plan to submit the<br/>data and remarks you provide today</p>
    <p begin="00:03:33.70" dur="00:00:04.24">into the official record of this proceeding<br/>once the record is open for comments.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:37.94" dur="00:00:03.74">So, what you say and what you<br/>submit will be put into the record.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:41.68" dur="00:00:02.90">Three quick logistical points.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:44.58" dur="00:00:04.55">The meeting this morning is being voice cast<br/>but not video cast as we previously announced.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:49.13" dur="00:00:02.17">I want to apologize for that.</p>
    <p begin="00:03:51.30" dur="00:00:04.16">Please note, however, that those who wish<br/>to view and those people who are listening</p>
    <p begin="00:03:55.46" dur="00:00:04.44">in to wish to view the PowerPoint slides<br/>as they&apos;re being discussed today can do</p>
    <p begin="00:03:59.90" dur="00:00:05.44">so by downloading them from CPSC<br/>website&apos;s public calendar page</p>
    <p begin="00:04:05.34" dur="00:00:02.76">and following along as the<br/>speakers discuss them.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:08.10" dur="00:00:02.37">On that point, I&apos;m going to<br/>ask a favor from the speakers.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:10.47" dur="00:00:04.56">Will you please reference the slides<br/>as you-- by number as you proceed.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:15.03" dur="00:00:04.30">Also, if you&apos;re going to speak, there&apos;s a<br/>little bar on the microphone in front of you</p>
    <p begin="00:04:19.33" dur="00:00:02.76">that will turn the red light on and<br/>that means your microphone is on.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:22.09" dur="00:00:05.58">This is being recorded and the<br/>recording will be placed into the record.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:27.67" dur="00:00:05.36">And the bathrooms are outside the security<br/>desk, across the hall so folks should be--</p>
    <p begin="00:04:33.03" dur="00:00:02.71">should feel free to come and go as they need to.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:35.74" dur="00:00:02.46">Again, thank you so much<br/>for your time and expertise.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:38.20" dur="00:00:03.83">I&apos;m eager to hear your thoughts on how best<br/>to protect our most vulnerable consumers</p>
    <p begin="00:04:42.03" dur="00:00:01.67">in their most vulnerable moments.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:43.70" dur="00:00:03.43">What I&apos;d like to do now is go around<br/>with introductions and I&apos;m going</p>
    <p begin="00:04:47.13" dur="00:00:03.18">to start on my left with Jen Feinberg.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:50.31" dur="00:00:00.98">&gt;&gt; Jennifer Feinberg: Hi, I&apos;m Jen Feinberg.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:51.29" dur="00:00:04.04">I&apos;m Senior Counsel to Commissioner Adler.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:55.33" dur="00:00:04.14">&gt;&gt; Dr. N.J. Scheers: N.J.<br/>Scheers from BDS Data Analytics.</p>
    <p begin="00:04:59.47" dur="00:00:04.89">&gt;&gt; Ami Gadhia: Hi, Ami Gadhia with<br/>AAP&apos;s Department of Federal Affairs.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:04.36" dur="00:00:01.27">&gt;&gt; Dr. Rachel Moon: Hi, I&apos;m Rachel Moon.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:05.63" dur="00:00:04.14">I&apos;m a Pediatrician at the University of<br/>Virginia and I&apos;m Chair of the American Academy</p>
    <p begin="00:05:09.77" dur="00:00:04.67">of Pediatrics task force on<br/>sudden infant death syndrome.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:14.44" dur="00:00:00.65">&gt;&gt; Dr. Andrea Gielen: Good morning.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:15.09" dur="00:00:01.04">I&apos;m Andrea Gielen.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:16.13" dur="00:00:04.76">I&apos;m a Professor and Director of the Johns<br/>Hopkins Center for Injury Research and Policy.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:20.89" dur="00:00:02.34">&gt;&gt; Teri Covington: Good morning.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:23.23" dur="00:00:00.81">I&apos;m Teri Covington.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:24.04" dur="00:00:04.54">I&apos;m the Director of the National Center<br/>for Fatality Review and Prevention.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:28.58" dur="00:00:04.42">&gt;&gt; Nancy Cowles: I&apos;m Nancy<br/>Cowles, Director of Kids in Danger.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:33.00" dur="00:00:03.10">&gt;&gt; Sarah Klein: Sarah Klein, Chief<br/>Counsel for Commissioner Adler.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:36.10" dur="00:00:03.79">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: And Dr. Thach, may we<br/>ask you to introduce yourself, please.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:39.89" dur="00:00:00.25">&gt;&gt; Dr. Bradley Thach: Yeah.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:40.14" dur="00:00:01.97">I&apos;m Bradley Thach.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:42.11" dur="00:00:08.63">I&apos;ve spent some time writing papers on the<br/>crib bumper issue and I&apos;m Professor Emeritus</p>
    <p begin="00:05:50.74" dur="00:00:05.17">at Washington University School<br/>of Medicine and St. Louis.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:55.91" dur="00:00:01.12">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: Thank you very much.</p>
    <p begin="00:05:57.03" dur="00:00:05.77">And now, Dr. Scheers and Dr. Thach,<br/>we look to your presentation.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:10.01" dur="00:00:00.90">&gt;&gt; Dr. N.J. Scheers: Thank you.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:10.91" dur="00:00:01.39">Good morning.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:12.30" dur="00:00:03.84">Arrow forward.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:16.14" dur="00:00:02.95">Chew gum and walk at the same time.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:19.09" dur="00:00:05.69">The purpose of this review is to look<br/>at crib bumper deaths that we documented</p>
    <p begin="00:06:24.78" dur="00:00:04.62">in our 2016 Journal of Pediatrics article.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:29.40" dur="00:00:05.36">We had looked at 48 deaths caused<br/>by crib bumpers from 76 deaths</p>
    <p begin="00:06:34.76" dur="00:00:03.23">that had been originally identified.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:37.99" dur="00:00:07.16">43 of these we were able to match<br/>to the recent CPSC briefing package.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:45.15" dur="00:00:06.16">Five bumper deaths we didn&apos;t<br/>match because they were in the 80s</p>
    <p begin="00:06:51.31" dur="00:00:05.70">and the CPSC briefing package started in 1990.</p>
    <p begin="00:06:59.15" dur="00:00:08.07">So, for these 43 deaths, we thought 37 were<br/>diagnosed as asphyxia/suffocation deaths</p>
    <p begin="00:07:07.22" dur="00:00:03.63">in specifically described bumper involvement.</p>
    <p begin="00:07:10.85" dur="00:00:06.42">So, wedged between pillow and bumper<br/>pad, face pressed against bumper pad.</p>
    <p begin="00:07:17.27" dur="00:00:06.59">There were six SIDS and SUID that were likely<br/>bumper-related, head hanging off recliner</p>
    <p begin="00:07:23.86" dur="00:00:02.75">and face pressed against crib bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:07:26.61" dur="00:00:09.42">Now, for the 48 deaths, 32 of them we<br/>judged were not involved with clutter.</p>
    <p begin="00:07:36.03" dur="00:00:05.51">Wedging between a bumper and a mattress,<br/>13 of those, 12 face against bumper,</p>
    <p begin="00:07:41.54" dur="00:00:04.22">three where the arm was caught between<br/>the bumper and the mattress/side rails</p>
    <p begin="00:07:45.76" dur="00:00:06.13">with face pressed against bumper, wedged<br/>between crib and bumper after a likely climb out</p>
    <p begin="00:07:51.89" dur="00:00:05.03">and we gave our logic of why we think<br/>the infant stepped on the bumper,</p>
    <p begin="00:07:56.92" dur="00:00:03.93">and strangulations from a bumper tie.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:00.85" dur="00:00:02.47">Now there were wedgings with the bumper</p>
    <p begin="00:08:03.32" dur="00:00:03.58">and I guess you could call<br/>that clutter if you want to.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:06.90" dur="00:00:08.32">It&apos;s wedged between a bumper and something<br/>else, so pillows, recliners, a cosleeping twin,</p>
    <p begin="00:08:15.22" dur="00:00:02.58">and one wedged in a crib depression.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:17.80" dur="00:00:06.54">This was a crib with structural integrity<br/>problems but the infant was in a depression</p>
    <p begin="00:08:24.34" dur="00:00:09.47">with the bumper around her head preventing<br/>her from turning her head to breathe.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:33.81" dur="00:00:08.49">Now the staff review of addressability<br/>of the 43 deaths were three were likely,</p>
    <p begin="00:08:42.30" dur="00:00:06.39">17 were unknown and 23 were considered unlikely.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:48.69" dur="00:00:02.16">So here are the ones that are likely.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:50.85" dur="00:00:02.03">Oh, I&apos;m not saying the slide I&apos;m on.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:52.88" dur="00:00:02.15">I&apos;m so sorry.</p>
    <p begin="00:08:55.03" dur="00:00:10.20">Slide 7. In these cases, the staff<br/>agreed with medical examiner.</p>
    <p begin="00:09:05.23" dur="00:00:08.16">And you can see positional asphyxia laying<br/>face down in a bumper, this middle one,</p>
    <p begin="00:09:13.39" dur="00:00:05.11">nose and mouth into a bumper, and<br/>the third one I had no picture,</p>
    <p begin="00:09:18.50" dur="00:00:03.40">suffocated in corner of the<br/>crib against a bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:09:21.90" dur="00:00:03.85">And you&apos;ll notice the middle<br/>picture has a problem with the crib.</p>
    <p begin="00:09:25.75" dur="00:00:03.50">The crib is broken but it<br/>has not affected the bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:09:29.25" dur="00:00:02.78">The infant&apos;s face is against the bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:09:32.03" dur="00:00:05.95">Now for the next series of<br/>cases, I&apos;m going to talk</p>
    <p begin="00:09:37.98" dur="00:00:06.25">about where the staff disagreed<br/>with medical examiner.</p>
    <p begin="00:09:44.23" dur="00:00:04.06">Slide 8. This is a baby face against bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:09:48.29" dur="00:00:04.45">You can see the crib has lots of things in it.</p>
    <p begin="00:09:52.74" dur="00:00:03.66">There is an empty space where<br/>the baby was found.</p>
    <p begin="00:09:56.40" dur="00:00:05.66">The autopsy, very specific, infant<br/>found in a corner of the crib covered</p>
    <p begin="00:10:02.06" dur="00:00:05.98">by a pad that would cause asphyxiation.</p>
    <p begin="00:10:08.04" dur="00:00:04.67">The CPSC team said the addressability<br/>was unknown.</p>
    <p begin="00:10:12.71" dur="00:00:00.99">Several concerns.</p>
    <p begin="00:10:13.70" dur="00:00:06.39">One, the baby was sick, had respiratory<br/>infection and been on antibiotics for five days.</p>
    <p begin="00:10:20.09" dur="00:00:06.01">The pediatrician, however, who was treating<br/>him when interviewed said we don&apos;t think</p>
    <p begin="00:10:26.10" dur="00:00:04.62">that the illness was severe<br/>enough to cause a death.</p>
    <p begin="00:10:30.72" dur="00:00:05.26">The second concern was this is a seven-month<br/>old and should be developmentally able</p>
    <p begin="00:10:35.98" dur="00:00:04.15">to move its head but the baby didn&apos;t.</p>
    <p begin="00:10:42.67" dur="00:00:05.85">Here is a case of wedging with the bumper and<br/>you can see the indentation in the bumper pad.</p>
    <p begin="00:10:48.52" dur="00:00:03.56">This is slide 9.</p>
    <p begin="00:10:52.08" dur="00:00:05.50">Again, a very specific autopsy<br/>finding, infant became wedged</p>
    <p begin="00:10:57.58" dur="00:00:03.62">between the mattress and<br/>the bumper pad of the crib.</p>
    <p begin="00:11:01.20" dur="00:00:06.13">CPSC team thought this was<br/>unlikely to be addressable.</p>
    <p begin="00:11:07.33" dur="00:00:02.62">And the reasoning was you can&apos;t tell--</p>
    <p begin="00:11:09.95" dur="00:00:04.60">they could not tell if the face was<br/>truly into the bumper or into the place</p>
    <p begin="00:11:14.55" dur="00:00:02.80">where the bumper and the mattress intersect.</p>
    <p begin="00:11:17.35" dur="00:00:05.67">They also saw blanching lividity that to them<br/>meant the baby was face down on the mattress</p>
    <p begin="00:11:23.02" dur="00:00:06.15">and so they considered the<br/>bumper incidental to the death,</p>
    <p begin="00:11:29.17" dur="00:00:03.27">again disagreeing with the medical examiner.</p>
    <p begin="00:11:34.01" dur="00:00:06.63">This is a case-- you see a positioner in the<br/>crib and to the right there&apos;s an empty space</p>
    <p begin="00:11:40.64" dur="00:00:03.00">where the baby rolled over into the mattress.</p>
    <p begin="00:11:43.64" dur="00:00:02.84">This was a cerebral palsy child.</p>
    <p begin="00:11:46.48" dur="00:00:05.76">And-- but again, the autopsy was very<br/>clear, asphyxiated due to obstruction</p>
    <p begin="00:11:52.24" dur="00:00:02.79">of the nose and mouth by the crib bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:11:55.03" dur="00:00:06.08">Here, the staff misidentified<br/>a picture as a recreation.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:01.11" dur="00:00:04.06">The father recreated the death<br/>scene but there was no photograph.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:05.17" dur="00:00:04.85">I called the medical examiner, asked<br/>if they had recreation photograph</p>
    <p begin="00:12:10.02" dur="00:00:02.91">and she said no, they hadn&apos;t taken one.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:15.99" dur="00:00:03.01">Here is a picture where you<br/>see-- oops, where am I?</p>
    <p begin="00:12:19.00" dur="00:00:02.70">Slide 11, I believe.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:21.70" dur="00:00:06.23">You see a finger pointing to<br/>where the infant was found.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:27.93" dur="00:00:03.11">The police officer is doing the pointing.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:31.04" dur="00:00:06.41">The autopsy, probably asphyxia due<br/>to obstruction of the nose and mouth.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:37.45" dur="00:00:05.62">Found unresponsive, wedged between<br/>bumper of the crib and the mattress.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:43.07" dur="00:00:05.84">Again, CPSC team disagreed, said it<br/>was unknown if it was addressable.</p>
    <p begin="00:12:48.91" dur="00:00:08.49">And the reasoning I could find was limited and<br/>conflicting information in the case report.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:00.03" dur="00:00:09.60">Slide 12. This is a stuffed animal, bunny<br/>rabbit who was used to recreate the death scene.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:09.63" dur="00:00:04.78">And again, you see a crib<br/>with lots of stuff in it.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:14.41" dur="00:00:06.08">The autopsy said, A, infant reportedly<br/>found face-down with face wedged</p>
    <p begin="00:13:20.49" dur="00:00:02.30">between mattress and bumper pads of the crib.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:22.79" dur="00:00:05.38">And then sudden interesting things, suffocation<br/>in non-standard sleeping environment.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:28.17" dur="00:00:04.13">So I called the ME and asked<br/>what exactly did that mean</p>
    <p begin="00:13:32.30" dur="00:00:07.30">and she said we think a standard sleeping<br/>environment is a crib with mattress and a sheet.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:43.15" dur="00:00:08.54">Slide 13. Baby rolled out of a<br/>positioner, face against the bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:51.69" dur="00:00:07.36">That is very specific, the autopsy, once again,<br/>face wedged between crib bumper and mattress.</p>
    <p begin="00:13:59.05" dur="00:00:05.04">The CPSC team thought the<br/>addressability was unknown</p>
    <p begin="00:14:04.09" dur="00:00:03.69">and said it was not specified<br/>whether the baby&apos;s face was</p>
    <p begin="00:14:07.78" dur="00:00:03.69">against the comforter or<br/>against the crib bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:14:17.73" dur="00:00:01.71">I just have a couple more of these.</p>
    <p begin="00:14:19.44" dur="00:00:09.50">Slide 14. Well, you see the wedging and<br/>the autopsy said positional asphyxia,</p>
    <p begin="00:14:28.94" dur="00:00:03.13">face between pillow and crib bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:14:32.07" dur="00:00:05.50">The CPSC team said they were not sure<br/>whether the nose and mouth was pressed</p>
    <p begin="00:14:37.57" dur="00:00:02.67">into the nursing pillow or bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:14:40.24" dur="00:00:02.79">But of course with the wedging,<br/>that doesn&apos;t matter.</p>
    <p begin="00:14:43.03" dur="00:00:05.39">Wedging is two surfaces, you take one<br/>away and the wedging doesn&apos;t occur.</p>
    <p begin="00:14:49.90" dur="00:00:08.35">And my last case is a sudden infant death<br/>case that we thought was likely suffocation.</p>
    <p begin="00:14:58.25" dur="00:00:02.08">This was 1992.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:00.33" dur="00:00:02.26">Death scenes were not prevalent.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:02.59" dur="00:00:05.49">And CPSC was doing a soft<br/>bedding study at that time.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:08.08" dur="00:00:01.94">I was the team lead.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:10.02" dur="00:00:06.65">And CPSC&apos;s investigators were going into<br/>the homes quickly after the baby died,</p>
    <p begin="00:15:16.67" dur="00:00:03.01">interviewing the parents,<br/>asking them to place a doll.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:19.68" dur="00:00:02.94">This is actually a CPSC photo.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:22.62" dur="00:00:05.32">The medical examiner did the<br/>autopsy the day after the baby died,</p>
    <p begin="00:15:27.94" dur="00:00:09.47">was not aware of CPSC&apos;s results or the<br/>picture and so classified this as a SIDS.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:37.41" dur="00:00:07.48">So my conclusions are these cases<br/>illustrate that crib bumpers can cause deaths</p>
    <p begin="00:15:44.89" dur="00:00:04.78">and there&apos;s many more of them<br/>than the CPSC staff identified.</p>
    <p begin="00:15:49.67" dur="00:00:07.37">The CPSC team often disagrees with<br/>the medical examiners and pathologists</p>
    <p begin="00:15:57.04" dur="00:00:03.85">but that&apos;s not highlighted<br/>anywhere in the briefing package.</p>
    <p begin="00:16:00.89" dur="00:00:05.51">There&apos;s an occasional mention of the--<br/>what the ME said but there&apos;s no--</p>
    <p begin="00:16:06.40" dur="00:00:08.68">the reader doesn&apos;t understand the extent which<br/>the team disagrees with the medical examiners.</p>
    <p begin="00:16:15.08" dur="00:00:02.99">Thank you.</p>
    <p begin="00:16:18.07" dur="00:00:00.86">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: Thank you very much.</p>
    <p begin="00:16:18.93" dur="00:00:01.48">Dr. Thach?</p>
    <p begin="00:16:20.41" dur="00:00:01.08">&gt;&gt; Dr. Bradley Thach: Yes.</p>
    <p begin="00:16:21.49" dur="00:00:05.45">I don&apos;t have a designation<br/>for the number of the slide.</p>
    <p begin="00:16:26.94" dur="00:00:04.70">Anyway, this is apparent<br/>life-threatening events or ALTEs,</p>
    <p begin="00:16:31.64" dur="00:00:07.50">as it is known, associated with crib bumpers.</p>
    <p begin="00:16:39.14" dur="00:00:07.72">OK. There were a number of incidents identified</p>
    <p begin="00:16:46.86" dur="00:00:06.91">from CPSC databases January<br/>1990 to October 2012.</p>
    <p begin="00:16:53.77" dur="00:00:03.46">There were 146 incidents.</p>
    <p begin="00:16:57.23" dur="00:00:06.94">From these, we identified 11<br/>apparent life-threatening events.</p>
    <p begin="00:17:04.17" dur="00:00:08.02">OK. The next slide is the baby monitor<br/>alarm presumably indicating not breathing</p>
    <p begin="00:17:12.19" dur="00:00:06.92">or perhaps low heart rate and mom found<br/>the infant face pressed against the bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:17:19.11" dur="00:00:09.64">Another case was baby monitor alarmed and a<br/>six-month old female infant was found with head</p>
    <p begin="00:17:28.75" dur="00:00:07.32">between crib bumper-- crib and the crib bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:17:36.07" dur="00:00:04.36">The lips were blue and the infant was pale.</p>
    <p begin="00:17:40.43" dur="00:00:07.56">And the-- uh-oh, I&apos;m switched<br/>out over here somehow.</p>
    <p begin="00:17:47.99" dur="00:00:01.45">Hold on.</p>
    <p begin="00:17:54.81" dur="00:00:02.11">&gt;&gt; Dr. N.J. Scheers: We can hear you, Brad.</p>
    <p begin="00:17:56.92" dur="00:00:02.59">&gt;&gt; Dr. Bradley Thach: Coming down on it.</p>
    <p begin="00:17:59.51" dur="00:00:03.97">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: This is slide 19,<br/>for those who are following along.</p>
    <p begin="00:18:03.48" dur="00:00:01.71">&gt;&gt; Dr. Bradley Thach: This is slide 19?</p>
    <p begin="00:18:05.19" dur="00:00:01.19">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: Yes.</p>
    <p begin="00:18:11.46" dur="00:00:07.46">&gt;&gt; Dr. Bradley Thach: My<br/>computer keeps cutting out.</p>
    <p begin="00:18:18.92" dur="00:00:06.23">OK. So the next case was mom found bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:18:25.15" dur="00:00:06.48">The baby was blue, limp, and not breathing.</p>
    <p begin="00:18:31.63" dur="00:00:07.35">Somehow this was told respiratory<br/>distress syndrome but it&apos;s clear</p>
    <p begin="00:18:38.98" dur="00:00:02.96">that it was-- the face was against the bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:18:41.94" dur="00:00:03.55">The next case is mom found kind of lodged--</p>
    <p begin="00:18:45.49" dur="00:00:05.77">mom found the infant lodged in the corner<br/>under bumper pad with the arm stuck</p>
    <p begin="00:18:51.26" dur="00:00:04.99">through crib slats, face red<br/>from not being able to breathe.</p>
    <p begin="00:18:56.25" dur="00:00:06.76">And the next case is mom found the infant<br/>wedged between bumper pad and mattress</p>
    <p begin="00:19:03.01" dur="00:00:11.38">and the diagnosis was transient cyanosis<br/>probably secondary to position found.</p>
    <p begin="00:19:14.39" dur="00:00:05.36">Then there were some cases of<br/>choking, ingestion or strangulation.</p>
    <p begin="00:19:19.75" dur="00:00:09.28">A mom found-- a mom of-- a mother of<br/>a female infant swallowed a piece of--</p>
    <p begin="00:19:29.03" dur="00:00:05.44">the infant swallowed a piece of<br/>plastic from the crib bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:19:34.47" dur="00:00:05.59">The next case, baby monitor<br/>alarmed, seven-month old infant found</p>
    <p begin="00:19:40.06" dur="00:00:03.75">with crib bumper strap obstructing her airway.</p>
    <p begin="00:19:43.81" dur="00:00:04.71">The next case is a six-month old<br/>infant suffered respiratory--</p>
    <p begin="00:19:48.52" dur="00:00:06.64">suffered temporary anoxia from suspected<br/>strangulation from tie down straps.</p>
    <p begin="00:19:55.16" dur="00:00:05.76">Infant stopped breathing but the<br/>infant&apos;s cousin rescued her in time.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:03.28" dur="00:00:04.48">And then we go to problems with<br/>infants falling out of the crib.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:07.76" dur="00:00:06.69">A 10-month old infant fell from the<br/>crib, stepped on the crib bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:14.45" dur="00:00:05.91">And the diagnosis when they went to the<br/>emergency room was closed head injury.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:20.36" dur="00:00:08.48">A 17-month old infant, mom thinks baby<br/>climbed into the bumper pads and fell out</p>
    <p begin="00:20:28.84" dur="00:00:05.01">and the diagnosis in the emergency<br/>room was closed head injury.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:33.85" dur="00:00:06.06">The next one, victim pulled herself<br/>up and stepped on the crib padding.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:39.91" dur="00:00:08.83">Crib was at the highest mattress setting<br/>and the diagnosis in the ER was head injury.</p>
    <p begin="00:20:48.74" dur="00:00:03.23">And the final one is--</p>
    <p begin="00:21:00.87" dur="00:00:02.05">Or did I already do that?</p>
    <p begin="00:21:02.92" dur="00:00:06.13">Suffered temporary anoxia from suspected<br/>strangulation from tie down straps.</p>
    <p begin="00:21:09.05" dur="00:00:02.97">Infant-- no, I already said that.</p>
    <p begin="00:21:12.02" dur="00:00:02.04">OK. Here, the falls.</p>
    <p begin="00:21:14.06" dur="00:00:03.08">&gt;&gt; Dr. N.J. Scheers: It was the last one, Brad.</p>
    <p begin="00:21:17.14" dur="00:00:00.76">&gt;&gt; Dr. Bradley Thach: Hello?</p>
    <p begin="00:21:17.90" dur="00:00:02.53">&gt;&gt; Dr. N.J. Scheers: It&apos;s the last one.</p>
    <p begin="00:21:20.43" dur="00:00:02.50">&gt;&gt; Dr. Bradley Thach: Can you hear?</p>
    <p begin="00:21:22.93" dur="00:00:04.09">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: It&apos;s the last one on the<br/>slide, nine-month old female used her bumper pad</p>
    <p begin="00:21:27.02" dur="00:00:02.08">as a step, climbed up and leaned over--</p>
    <p begin="00:21:29.10" dur="00:00:03.56">&gt;&gt; Dr. Bradley Thach: Yeah,<br/>climbed up, leaned over the side</p>
    <p begin="00:21:32.66" dur="00:00:04.54">of the rail, lost her balance and fell.</p>
    <p begin="00:21:38.67" dur="00:00:03.57">Looks like that&apos;s it.</p>
    <p begin="00:21:42.24" dur="00:00:03.85">&gt;&gt; Dr. N.J. Scheers: Yes, I&apos;d like to say,<br/>we said 11 ALTEs, I found another one,</p>
    <p begin="00:21:46.09" dur="00:00:04.03">so there&apos;s actually 12 that<br/>we showed in the slides.</p>
    <p begin="00:21:50.12" dur="00:00:06.91">The interesting things about this is that<br/>when we did an analysis for our paper,</p>
    <p begin="00:21:57.03" dur="00:00:06.56">the youngest babies were veneer<br/>suffocations about five months old on average.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:03.59" dur="00:00:04.62">The strangulation, chokings were about<br/>seven to eight months old on average.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:08.21" dur="00:00:05.93">And the falls were 11 months old on average.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:14.14" dur="00:00:04.13">There were no ALTEs for limb<br/>entrapment or miscellaneous.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:18.27" dur="00:00:05.45">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: Dr. Thach or Dr.<br/>Scheers, I do have a question.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:23.72" dur="00:00:03.38">When we&apos;re looking at these,<br/>what you could call, near misses,</p>
    <p begin="00:22:27.10" dur="00:00:03.29">is there anything that would distinguish them</p>
    <p begin="00:22:30.39" dur="00:00:04.77">from the fatalities other<br/>than fortuity and luck?</p>
    <p begin="00:22:35.16" dur="00:00:07.87">Did you see any pattern that would explain why<br/>there was no fatality other than somebody came</p>
    <p begin="00:22:43.03" dur="00:00:03.86">in and found the child or pure luck?</p>
    <p begin="00:22:46.89" dur="00:00:03.29">&gt;&gt; Dr. Bradley Thach: I think in most<br/>cases, someone came in and found the child.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:50.18" dur="00:00:02.58">It was in most of the cases.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:52.76" dur="00:00:01.92">I don&apos;t know what you mean by pure luck.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:54.68" dur="00:00:03.29">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: That would be pure luck<br/>that somebody walked in before the child--</p>
    <p begin="00:22:57.97" dur="00:00:00.49">&gt;&gt; Dr. Bradley Thach: Yeah, right.</p>
    <p begin="00:22:58.46" dur="00:00:02.39">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: -- and saw the<br/>child and saved the child&apos;s life.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:00.85" dur="00:00:00.62">But otherwise--</p>
    <p begin="00:23:01.47" dur="00:00:00.16">&gt;&gt; Dr. Bradley Thach: Yeah.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:01.63" dur="00:00:04.52">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: -- that child<br/>would have become a fatality.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:06.15" dur="00:00:05.10">&gt;&gt; Dr. Bradley Thach: Right,<br/>that&apos;s the case as I see it.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:11.25" dur="00:00:05.27">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: Thank you very much.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:16.52" dur="00:00:02.79">Ms. Covington?</p>
    <p begin="00:23:19.31" dur="00:00:02.86">And welcome.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:23.31" dur="00:00:02.29">[ Inaudible Remark ]</p>
    <p begin="00:23:25.60" dur="00:00:03.24">&gt;&gt; Jennifer Feinberg: While they&apos;re working on<br/>the slides, I had a question for Dr. Scheers</p>
    <p begin="00:23:28.84" dur="00:00:05.35">and Dr. Thach which is Dr. Scheers, in your<br/>presentation, you distinguished your conclusions</p>
    <p begin="00:23:34.19" dur="00:00:03.66">from those of the staff and I<br/>was just curious on the ALTEs.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:37.85" dur="00:00:02.56">I just couldn&apos;t remember--</p>
    <p begin="00:23:40.41" dur="00:00:02.40">[ Inaudible Remark ]</p>
    <p begin="00:23:42.81" dur="00:00:00.36">&gt;&gt; Dr. N.J. Scheers: I&apos;m sorry.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:43.17" dur="00:00:04.00">There are no staff determinations on the ALTEs.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:47.17" dur="00:00:02.61">&gt;&gt; Jennifer Feinberg: OK, thank you.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:49.78" dur="00:00:02.33">&gt;&gt; Teri Covington: As we get<br/>going on this, I&apos;ll start talking.</p>
    <p begin="00:23:52.11" dur="00:00:03.84">I was asked to present on data that we have</p>
    <p begin="00:23:55.95" dur="00:00:02.44">in the National Child Death<br/>Review Case Reporting System</p>
    <p begin="00:23:58.39" dur="00:00:04.98">which I&apos;ll explain a little bit what that<br/>is and they&apos;re considered non-CPSC cases.</p>
    <p begin="00:24:03.37" dur="00:00:05.39">We worked with Dr. Scheers a couple years<br/>ago to try to match the cases that we had</p>
    <p begin="00:24:08.76" dur="00:00:05.62">in our database with the cases that CPSC had<br/>and I think you identified two or three that--</p>
    <p begin="00:24:14.38" dur="00:00:03.10">where they actually were the same case.</p>
    <p begin="00:24:17.48" dur="00:00:00.61">So in the--</p>
    <p begin="00:24:18.09" dur="00:00:01.14">&gt;&gt; Dr. N.J. Scheers: There were three.</p>
    <p begin="00:24:19.23" dur="00:00:02.31">&gt;&gt; Teri Covington: In the cases<br/>that I&apos;ll present that came</p>
    <p begin="00:24:21.54" dur="00:00:04.50">after November 2013 are new<br/>cases that weren&apos;t known.</p>
    <p begin="00:24:26.04" dur="00:00:02.25">I&apos;ll skip through some of<br/>these slides real quick.</p>
    <p begin="00:24:28.29" dur="00:00:01.99">I just wanted to mentioned<br/>what child death review is</p>
    <p begin="00:24:30.28" dur="00:00:03.33">so you have a perspective on<br/>where these cases come from.</p>
    <p begin="00:24:33.61" dur="00:00:06.53">Child death review is a multidisciplinary case<br/>review that usually happens in communities</p>
    <p begin="00:24:40.14" dur="00:00:03.73">across the country, where people<br/>come together and review the deaths</p>
    <p begin="00:24:43.87" dur="00:00:03.78">of child-- preventable child deaths.</p>
    <p begin="00:24:47.65" dur="00:00:03.43">And the team typically brings a whole<br/>lot of information to the review</p>
    <p begin="00:24:51.08" dur="00:00:04.49">that have coroner reports, medical examiner<br/>reports, death scene investigation reports,</p>
    <p begin="00:24:55.57" dur="00:00:04.11">law enforcement interviews,<br/>and medical records, et cetera,</p>
    <p begin="00:24:59.68" dur="00:00:01.98">et cetera, and they talk about the case.</p>
    <p begin="00:25:01.66" dur="00:00:05.67">And the purpose of child death review is<br/>really to identify risk factors in areas</p>
    <p begin="00:25:07.33" dur="00:00:02.27">where a community could prevent deaths.</p>
    <p begin="00:25:09.60" dur="00:00:06.33">In United States, we have child death<br/>review in all 50 states, 37 have local teams</p>
    <p begin="00:25:15.93" dur="00:00:04.65">and then 12 states have only state level teams.</p>
    <p begin="00:25:20.58" dur="00:00:05.94">We also-- and I should say that our<br/>center is funded by HERSA primarily,</p>
    <p begin="00:25:26.52" dur="00:00:05.63">although the CDC also funds a Sudden<br/>Unexpected Infant Death Case Registry</p>
    <p begin="00:25:32.15" dur="00:00:06.53">which funds a good number of states to review<br/>100% of all of the sudden and unexpected deaths</p>
    <p begin="00:25:38.68" dur="00:00:05.34">which has given us a little bit<br/>more robust data into the system.</p>
    <p begin="00:25:44.02" dur="00:00:03.53">In 2005, we designed a case reporting system</p>
    <p begin="00:25:47.55" dur="00:00:04.87">so that teams could enter<br/>their data into a database.</p>
    <p begin="00:25:52.42" dur="00:00:05.20">And we built this system that allows data to<br/>be collected, entered, analyzed and aggregated</p>
    <p begin="00:25:57.62" dur="00:00:02.71">across local, state and at the national level.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:00.33" dur="00:00:06.70">So we now have access to the real rich<br/>case information that comes from the teams.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:07.03" dur="00:00:01.78">It&apos;s a web-based system.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:08.81" dur="00:00:04.36">There&apos;s about 1200 data elements and it&apos;s<br/>housed at the Michigan Public Health Institute.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:13.17" dur="00:00:02.38">So I&apos;m going to skip to here.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:15.55" dur="00:00:04.84">Just so you get a sense of the system,<br/>there&apos;s 45 states that voluntarily use it now.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:20.39" dur="00:00:03.53">We&apos;ve got about 2000 users, about 1300 teams,</p>
    <p begin="00:26:23.92" dur="00:00:05.40">and we have about 167,000<br/>deaths now in the database.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:29.32" dur="00:00:02.81">But the system has gone through<br/>a number of permutations.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:32.13" dur="00:00:04.98">I think we&apos;re at version 4.1 right now and I&apos;ll<br/>explain to you why that&apos;s important in terms</p>
    <p begin="00:26:37.11" dur="00:00:03.25">of trying to understand the bumper pad cases.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:40.36" dur="00:00:04.46">The limitations are is that except in<br/>a few states that review 100% of all</p>
    <p begin="00:26:44.82" dur="00:00:04.04">of the sudden unexpected infant deaths,<br/>the data can&apos;t be used as population data.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:48.86" dur="00:00:02.03">You can&apos;t calculate rates.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:50.89" dur="00:00:04.05">And that little sentence supposed to mean<br/>there may be cases with a good amount</p>
    <p begin="00:26:54.94" dur="00:00:01.96">of missing or incomplete information.</p>
    <p begin="00:26:56.90" dur="00:00:03.83">It&apos;s a voluntary system and it&apos;s up<br/>to the states to put in what they can.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:00.73" dur="00:00:04.97">Also child death review standards vary<br/>across jurisdictions as to the quality</p>
    <p begin="00:27:05.70" dur="00:00:02.83">of scene investigations and case reviews.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:08.53" dur="00:00:04.43">And then there are times where teams may<br/>classify a death differently than the coroner</p>
    <p begin="00:27:12.96" dur="00:00:02.42">or medical examiner would, but it allows us--</p>
    <p begin="00:27:15.38" dur="00:00:06.11">there&apos;s a place in the report from where you<br/>can actually designate that that happened.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:21.49" dur="00:00:02.47">We have a number of questions<br/>related to sleep related deaths.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:23.96" dur="00:00:03.51">I&apos;m just going to show you, these are just-- so<br/>you can see what the forms look like and this,</p>
    <p begin="00:27:27.47" dur="00:00:02.71">by the way, I&apos;m so-- we&apos;re so<br/>bad at numbering our slides.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:30.18" dur="00:00:01.58">This is slide 8.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:31.76" dur="00:00:04.75">So, there&apos;s a whole section in the form<br/>that regardless of whether a death comes</p>
    <p begin="00:27:36.51" dur="00:00:04.69">in as a suffocation, a SIDS or undetermined,<br/>those are the main SUID categories,</p>
    <p begin="00:27:41.20" dur="00:00:03.68">a team can go to this section that<br/>says was the death related to sleeping</p>
    <p begin="00:27:44.88" dur="00:00:03.48">or the sleep environment for<br/>children under the age of five.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:48.36" dur="00:00:04.85">And then it allows the team, there&apos;s a whole lot<br/>of questions about where was the sleep placed,</p>
    <p begin="00:27:53.21" dur="00:00:06.35">were they sleeping alone, what was in the<br/>crib, et cetera, et cetera, or the sleep place.</p>
    <p begin="00:27:59.56" dur="00:00:04.90">Were they overheated, was the face-- where was<br/>the child&apos;s face when found, where was the neck</p>
    <p begin="00:28:04.46" dur="00:00:03.80">when found, was the airway<br/>obstructed, et cetera, et cetera.</p>
    <p begin="00:28:08.26" dur="00:00:01.80">The two most important things that are--</p>
    <p begin="00:28:10.06" dur="00:00:05.61">for my presentation is that we changed<br/>the form in late November of 2013.</p>
    <p begin="00:28:15.67" dur="00:00:05.02">Before that, we-- what we realized<br/>is that we couldn&apos;t narrow it</p>
    <p begin="00:28:20.69" dur="00:00:05.62">down to what was really the main factor<br/>causing the problem in the sleep environment.</p>
    <p begin="00:28:26.31" dur="00:00:05.04">So prior to 2013, we asked questions<br/>such as was the face fully obstructed</p>
    <p begin="00:28:31.35" dur="00:00:04.39">or partially obstructed, how, between,<br/>wedged into, pressed into, et cetera,</p>
    <p begin="00:28:35.74" dur="00:00:03.61">and with what objects, and teams<br/>could check all of those boxes.</p>
    <p begin="00:28:39.35" dur="00:00:05.03">So it was really difficult in looking at our<br/>analysis because we have a number of cases</p>
    <p begin="00:28:44.38" dur="00:00:03.43">where bumper pads were listed<br/>within a lot of other things</p>
    <p begin="00:28:47.81" dur="00:00:04.37">but we were having a hard time identifying<br/>what was really the most problem</p>
    <p begin="00:28:52.18" dur="00:00:01.84">in the sleep environment.</p>
    <p begin="00:28:54.02" dur="00:00:07.63">After 2013, we changed it so that a team could<br/>say bumper pad present, yes or no, where was it,</p>
    <p begin="00:29:01.65" dur="00:00:03.40">on top of, under, next to or<br/>tangled around the child or unknown,</p>
    <p begin="00:29:05.05" dur="00:00:03.14">and if present, did it obstruct the airway.</p>
    <p begin="00:29:08.19" dur="00:00:04.77">So the data-- I have seven<br/>cases from teams or from 2014</p>
    <p begin="00:29:12.96" dur="00:00:02.60">and that&apos;s pretty much what we&apos;ve<br/>got in the database right now.</p>
    <p begin="00:29:15.56" dur="00:00:02.52">It takes about a year for the<br/>teams to get this information in.</p>
    <p begin="00:29:18.08" dur="00:00:04.48">We&apos;ve got seven cases where it was<br/>the bumper pad that was listed solely</p>
    <p begin="00:29:22.56" dur="00:00:03.42">as the item that obstructed the airway.</p>
    <p begin="00:29:25.98" dur="00:00:05.40">So, just to give you the data, we downloaded<br/>data for this presentation or actually</p>
    <p begin="00:29:31.38" dur="00:00:05.67">for some work we were doing a little while ago<br/>and the data that we&apos;re looking at is not 167,</p>
    <p begin="00:29:37.05" dur="00:00:03.35">it&apos;s only 95,000 deaths because<br/>the teams have to tell us--</p>
    <p begin="00:29:40.40" dur="00:00:04.45">states tell us when the data is clean and<br/>ready to be used for national analysis.</p>
    <p begin="00:29:44.85" dur="00:00:03.91">There were 16,140 SUID cases in there.</p>
    <p begin="00:29:48.76" dur="00:00:04.91">87 of those were checked<br/>under that sleep related item,</p>
    <p begin="00:29:53.67" dur="00:00:05.37">62 cases where the bumper pad was<br/>checked as relevant to the death,</p>
    <p begin="00:29:59.04" dur="00:00:06.25">and 55 of those where they checked that<br/>piece that I talked about before 2013,</p>
    <p begin="00:30:05.29" dur="00:00:05.83">and then seven cases where they listed<br/>it specifically causing the obstruction.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:11.12" dur="00:00:06.57">So, I wanted to also say that the good news<br/>is that all 62 of those, there&apos;s also a place</p>
    <p begin="00:30:17.69" dur="00:00:03.38">in the form where teams can mark whether or<br/>not there was a death scene investigation</p>
    <p begin="00:30:21.07" dur="00:00:04.22">and who conducted it and we were<br/>really happy to find out that all 62</p>
    <p begin="00:30:25.29" dur="00:00:03.07">of those had had a death scene investigation.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:28.36" dur="00:00:03.61">And this is-- N.J. had-- Dr.<br/>Scheers had shown some pictures</p>
    <p begin="00:30:31.97" dur="00:00:03.67">but this is what we&apos;re hoping typically you<br/>would have in a death scene investigation.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:35.64" dur="00:00:06.79">It would be a description of where the<br/>child was placed and where it was found.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:42.43" dur="00:00:04.41">Just so you can see, these are the agencies that<br/>had conducted the death scene investigations</p>
    <p begin="00:30:46.84" dur="00:00:03.83">which we were pleased with and<br/>they&apos;re not mutually exclusive.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:50.67" dur="00:00:04.91">But there were, in our opinion, probably<br/>quality death scene investigations conducted</p>
    <p begin="00:30:55.58" dur="00:00:02.51">in these cases.</p>
    <p begin="00:30:58.09" dur="00:00:06.12">So, in looking at the data that was<br/>collected through November 2013,</p>
    <p begin="00:31:04.21" dur="00:00:10.19">we had 55 cases where the bumper pad at least<br/>was checked as an object relevant to the death.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:14.40" dur="00:00:03.26">And then we had the seven where<br/>they actually checked the bumper pad</p>
    <p begin="00:31:17.66" dur="00:00:03.23">and that it was present and<br/>it obstructed the airway.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:20.89" dur="00:00:06.50">Of the-- out of all 62 cases, what we did then<br/>is the teams write narratives and every one</p>
    <p begin="00:31:27.39" dur="00:00:01.91">of these cases had a written narrative.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:29.30" dur="00:00:02.57">I think there was one that<br/>did not and it&apos;s the narrative</p>
    <p begin="00:31:31.87" dur="00:00:02.03">where we can find most of the rich information.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:33.90" dur="00:00:03.23">The teams tend to write really long narratives.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:37.13" dur="00:00:01.21">They talk about a lot of things.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:38.34" dur="00:00:05.77">They talk about the family, the condition of<br/>the house, the family&apos;s socioeconomic status.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:44.11" dur="00:00:03.28">Oftentimes they talk about whether drugs or<br/>alcohol were present, et cetera, et cetera.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:47.39" dur="00:00:01.87">There&apos;s a lot of information in the narratives.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:49.26" dur="00:00:06.32">So we pulled the narratives and we found 30<br/>out of the 62 where it was specifically stated</p>
    <p begin="00:31:55.58" dur="00:00:02.76">that the child was found<br/>pressed into the bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:31:58.34" dur="00:00:06.87">And the cause of death of those 30-- I<br/>don&apos;t have the percentages here, I&apos;m sorry--</p>
    <p begin="00:32:05.21" dur="00:00:04.69">was external asphyxia, undetermined,<br/>medical condition SIDS which is interesting</p>
    <p begin="00:32:09.90" dur="00:00:02.96">because that&apos;s a very small percentage<br/>of these, and then undetermined</p>
    <p begin="00:32:12.86" dur="00:00:03.10">if it was actually a medical or external injury.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:15.96" dur="00:00:03.58">But more than half were listed as asphyxias.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:19.54" dur="00:00:05.56">When we looked at the narratives, there are<br/>only 13 states that we got this data from.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:25.10" dur="00:00:04.69">So, at the time, I mention-- I<br/>should mention, we&apos;ve brought states</p>
    <p begin="00:32:29.79" dur="00:00:01.75">into this progressively over the years.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:31.54" dur="00:00:04.30">So from the early years when we first opened<br/>the system up to states in about 2008,</p>
    <p begin="00:32:35.84" dur="00:00:01.78">we had very few states using the system.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:37.62" dur="00:00:03.41">It&apos;s really-- it&apos;s gone-- states<br/>started entering the data more</p>
    <p begin="00:32:41.03" dur="00:00:01.80">and more over the last few years.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:42.83" dur="00:00:05.16">So 13 states were reporting cases and<br/>most of those reported one or two cases</p>
    <p begin="00:32:47.99" dur="00:00:05.08">but we had a several large population<br/>states that had five to seven of the cases.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:53.07" dur="00:00:03.62">27 of the cases the child was under<br/>the age of one and there were three</p>
    <p begin="00:32:56.69" dur="00:00:02.21">where the child were ages one to four.</p>
    <p begin="00:32:58.90" dur="00:00:05.16">More than 90% were sleeping in cribs and<br/>more than 90% were in their own homes.</p>
    <p begin="00:33:04.06" dur="00:00:03.22">I just wanted to give you a sense of some--</p>
    <p begin="00:33:07.28" dur="00:00:03.42">I went last night and I could have<br/>given you the narratives on all 30</p>
    <p begin="00:33:10.70" dur="00:00:01.63">but I thought we really don&apos;t<br/>have time for them.</p>
    <p begin="00:33:12.33" dur="00:00:02.92">But I wanted to give you a sense<br/>of what we read in the narrative</p>
    <p begin="00:33:15.25" dur="00:00:03.03">because it&apos;s pretty explicit<br/>what they&apos;re writing.</p>
    <p begin="00:33:18.28" dur="00:00:04.56">The decedent was laid to sleep on his right<br/>side in a crib, used rolled up blankets</p>
    <p begin="00:33:22.84" dur="00:00:05.33">for bumper pads and found unresponsive with<br/>his head wedged against these bumper pads.</p>
    <p begin="00:33:28.17" dur="00:00:03.92">Another is that the decedent is a six-month<br/>old male who died due to positional asphyxia.</p>
    <p begin="00:33:32.09" dur="00:00:04.61">He was found unresponsive in his crib<br/>with his face pressed into the bumper.</p>
    <p begin="00:33:36.70" dur="00:00:04.62">Decedent was placed face up in his crib covered<br/>by light bedding and found face up in his crib</p>
    <p begin="00:33:41.32" dur="00:00:02.92">with the bumper pad fully covering his face.</p>
    <p begin="00:33:44.24" dur="00:00:05.54">This was according to ME but not documented by<br/>anyone else, the child was found on her side</p>
    <p begin="00:33:49.78" dur="00:00:03.07">with face against crib rail and bumper pad.</p>
    <p begin="00:33:52.85" dur="00:00:04.18">Another was that at approximately 4 a.m.<br/>the father found the deceased unresponsive,</p>
    <p begin="00:33:57.03" dur="00:00:04.16">lying prone in a crib, with its face next<br/>to the bumper pads at the edge of the crib.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:01.19" dur="00:00:02.90">The deceased had apparently been<br/>placed in the crib on a pillow</p>
    <p begin="00:34:04.09" dur="00:00:03.15">and it appeared it had slid/rolled<br/>off the pillow onto his stomach</p>
    <p begin="00:34:07.24" dur="00:00:03.36">with his face placed next to the bumper pads.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:10.60" dur="00:00:03.87">Baby was fed a bottle then placed<br/>prone in his crib for a nap.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:14.47" dur="00:00:04.04">Father last saw him alive, went on to<br/>check on him and found him lying prone,</p>
    <p begin="00:34:18.51" dur="00:00:03.86">more on his right side, with his<br/>face up against the crib bumper pad.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:22.37" dur="00:00:03.84">Another was simply child<br/>found against bumper in crib.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:26.21" dur="00:00:03.51">And this was a six-month old white male<br/>found unresponsive and lying on his side</p>
    <p begin="00:34:29.72" dur="00:00:02.45">with face fully prone in bumper pad.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:32.17" dur="00:00:04.39">Child discovered on tummy with nose<br/>pressed into bumper pad on crib.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:36.56" dur="00:00:06.71">And this one was a two-month old<br/>female originally suspicious of SIDS.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:43.27" dur="00:00:03.66">Autopsy report revealed that the child was<br/>found in the crib corner with face covered</p>
    <p begin="00:34:46.93" dur="00:00:03.00">by a bumper guard and the other<br/>side against the mattress.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:49.93" dur="00:00:01.08">Positional asphyxia.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:51.01" dur="00:00:05.48">The coroner ruled that the death was<br/>accidental due to positional asphyxia</p>
    <p begin="00:34:56.49" dur="00:00:03.21">as the side was found close to<br/>the bumper guard pad of the crib.</p>
    <p begin="00:34:59.70" dur="00:00:03.72">And then, we had a number of that.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:03.42" dur="00:00:02.62">I&apos;m not ready to talk about<br/>these other ones yet.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:06.04" dur="00:00:03.72">But this was where he&apos;d been placed on his<br/>back, was found face down with his face pressed</p>
    <p begin="00:35:09.76" dur="00:00:01.62">against the bumper pad in<br/>the corner of the crib.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:11.38" dur="00:00:02.59">He had just begun to roll over recently.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:13.97" dur="00:00:02.49">And then finally, the mother awoke<br/>to check on the baby and found him</p>
    <p begin="00:35:16.46" dur="00:00:03.23">in prone position completely covered<br/>by the blanket with his face pressed</p>
    <p begin="00:35:19.69" dur="00:00:01.31">into the bumper pads in the crib.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:21.00" dur="00:00:06.77">And then we had a number where it wasn&apos;t--<br/>there were pillows mentioned as well.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:27.77" dur="00:00:07.40">That seemed to be somewhat common and I meant<br/>to count down how many had pillows as well</p>
    <p begin="00:35:35.17" dur="00:00:05.16">as bumper pads but what we often saw, almost<br/>always saw is that they were placed on a pillow,</p>
    <p begin="00:35:40.33" dur="00:00:02.70">they rolled off the pillow and<br/>they rolled into the bumper pads.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:43.03" dur="00:00:02.24">So there&apos;s sort of a couple<br/>of demons in the story.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:45.27" dur="00:00:02.91">This was the 19-day old black female.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:48.18" dur="00:00:03.11">The mother put her head propped<br/>face up on top of an adult pillow.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:51.29" dur="00:00:03.52">After checking, she was found wedged<br/>between the pillow and the baby bumpers.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:54.81" dur="00:00:04.89">This two-month old and 12-day old<br/>black female died of asphyxia.</p>
    <p begin="00:35:59.70" dur="00:00:03.88">It was reported that she was found face down<br/>in a crib with her face buried in the space</p>
    <p begin="00:36:03.58" dur="00:00:02.27">between a pillow and the bumper pads.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:05.85" dur="00:00:05.75">And then the mother has placed baby supine on<br/>mattress with head resting on an adult pillow.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:11.60" dur="00:00:03.53">She saw the baby and then four hours<br/>later, the baby was prone and wedged</p>
    <p begin="00:36:15.13" dur="00:00:02.25">between the adult pillow<br/>and the bumpers of the crib.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:17.38" dur="00:00:03.26">So these are pretty much similar to the examples</p>
    <p begin="00:36:20.64" dur="00:00:03.67">that Dr. Scheers had given you<br/>but they&apos;re different examples.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:24.31" dur="00:00:02.77">I just wanted to make the point<br/>that they&apos;re not the same cases.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:27.08" dur="00:00:04.89">And then, this is another example.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:31.97" dur="00:00:04.36">The child placed on his back on a Boppy pillow,<br/>found six hours later on his side with his face</p>
    <p begin="00:36:36.33" dur="00:00:03.64">in the pillow and wedged between<br/>the pillow and bumper pads.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:39.97" dur="00:00:02.97">And then another who was<br/>placed to sleep in a crib</p>
    <p begin="00:36:42.94" dur="00:00:02.09">in an adult size pillow and/or wedged pillow.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:45.03" dur="00:00:02.55">The child was placed to sleep on<br/>his side and found in the morning</p>
    <p begin="00:36:47.58" dur="00:00:03.09">with his face pressed into the bumper pad.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:50.67" dur="00:00:03.20">And those are my examples for you and<br/>that&apos;s pretty much what I have to present.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:53.87" dur="00:00:05.18">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: So I guess my first question is<br/>you&apos;ve given us scenario on some of the cases.</p>
    <p begin="00:36:59.05" dur="00:00:03.88">May we get your copies of the<br/>narratives for all of these 30 cases?</p>
    <p begin="00:37:02.93" dur="00:00:00.79">That would be terrific.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:03.72" dur="00:00:00.06">&gt;&gt; Teri Covington: Yeah.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:03.79" dur="00:00:00.42">Absolutely.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:04.21" dur="00:00:02.96">I didn&apos;t think you&apos;d want to hear them<br/>all during this 15-minute presentation.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:07.17" dur="00:00:01.22">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: Actually I would but--</p>
    <p begin="00:37:08.39" dur="00:00:00.67">&gt;&gt; Teri Covington: OK.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:09.06" dur="00:00:02.76">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: But at least<br/>enough to have it so we can put it</p>
    <p begin="00:37:11.82" dur="00:00:04.95">in the record and we thank you very much.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:16.77" dur="00:00:02.88">Dr. Moon and Ms. Gadhia.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:27.56" dur="00:00:04.77">By the way, we&apos;re running ahead of<br/>schedule so there&apos;s no need to speak fast.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:32.33" dur="00:00:05.07">I think most of the people in the<br/>room listen fast but there&apos;s no need.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:37.40" dur="00:00:07.22">So, again, for those of us on the table, if<br/>we have questions or comments, I invite them.</p>
    <p begin="00:37:47.73" dur="00:00:04.12">&gt;&gt; Dr. Rachel Moon: I&apos;ve confused everybody<br/>because I didn&apos;t-- I don&apos;t have any slides.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:06.37" dur="00:00:02.85">Good morning, Commissioner Adler and CPSC staff.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:09.22" dur="00:00:04.35">My name is Dr. Rachel Moon and I&apos;m the Division<br/>Chief of General Pediatrics and a Professor</p>
    <p begin="00:38:13.57" dur="00:00:03.77">of Pediatrics at the University<br/>of Virginia School of Medicine.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:17.34" dur="00:00:05.71">I&apos;ve spent over 20 years studying infant<br/>mortality, safe and unsafe sleep products,</p>
    <p begin="00:38:23.05" dur="00:00:02.35">and sudden unexplained infant death.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:25.40" dur="00:00:04.04">I have done occasional work for the<br/>CPSC as a paid outside consultant</p>
    <p begin="00:38:29.44" dur="00:00:03.35">on consumer products designed<br/>for infant use since 2012.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:32.79" dur="00:00:03.51">And I very much appreciate<br/>Commissioner Adler&apos;s invitation to speak</p>
    <p begin="00:38:36.30" dur="00:00:05.65">to you all today regarding the September<br/>CPSC staff briefing package on crib bumpers.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:41.95" dur="00:00:04.60">I&apos;m speaking here today on behalf of the<br/>American Academy of Pediatrics or the AAP</p>
    <p begin="00:38:46.55" dur="00:00:06.58">and I&apos;m the Chair of the AAP&apos;s task<br/>force on sudden infant death syndrome.</p>
    <p begin="00:38:53.13" dur="00:00:05.75">Just two days ago, on October 24th, the AAP task<br/>force on sudden infant death syndrome released</p>
    <p begin="00:38:58.88" dur="00:00:04.69">or updated recommendations for<br/>safe infant sleeping environment.</p>
    <p begin="00:39:03.57" dur="00:00:03.44">These updated recommendations<br/>reiterate unequivocally</p>
    <p begin="00:39:07.01" dur="00:00:03.09">that bumper pads are not recommended by the AAP.</p>
    <p begin="00:39:10.10" dur="00:00:04.37">Bumper pads have been implicated in deaths<br/>attributable to suffocation, entrapment</p>
    <p begin="00:39:14.47" dur="00:00:04.51">and strangulation and with new safety<br/>standards for crib slats are not necessarily</p>
    <p begin="00:39:18.98" dur="00:00:03.21">for safety against head entrapment.</p>
    <p begin="00:39:22.19" dur="00:00:04.62">While the peak age range for SIDS, accidental<br/>suffocation and strangulation deaths</p>
    <p begin="00:39:26.81" dur="00:00:04.89">and ill-defined deaths is between the ages<br/>of one and four months, new evidence shows</p>
    <p begin="00:39:31.70" dur="00:00:04.62">that soft bedding continues to pose hazards<br/>to infants who are four months and older</p>
    <p begin="00:39:36.32" dur="00:00:05.04">and is indeed the predominant<br/>risk factor for this age group.</p>
    <p begin="00:39:41.36" dur="00:00:04.63">Educational and intervention campaigns<br/>are often effective in altering practice</p>
    <p begin="00:39:45.99" dur="00:00:03.79">and pediatricians continue to engage<br/>in such educational campaigns.</p>
    <p begin="00:39:49.78" dur="00:00:02.88">However, pediatricians&apos; warnings<br/>against bumper--</p>
    <p begin="00:39:52.66" dur="00:00:04.65">against crib bumpers are frustrated<br/>when the CPSC&apos;s own messaging</p>
    <p begin="00:39:57.31" dur="00:00:02.88">on crib bumpers is modeled at best.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:00.19" dur="00:00:04.63">The AAP warns against the use of many<br/>different kinds of soft bedding largely</p>
    <p begin="00:40:04.82" dur="00:00:04.14">because of the risk of suffocation,<br/>entrapment and strangulation.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:08.96" dur="00:00:05.69">CPSC data show that pillows are associated<br/>with many accidental suffocation incidents</p>
    <p begin="00:40:14.65" dur="00:00:03.10">when placed under or close to a sleeping infant.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:17.75" dur="00:00:03.97">Quilts, comforters, sheepskins and other<br/>soft bedding have also been associated</p>
    <p begin="00:40:21.72" dur="00:00:02.57">with an increase risk of sudden infant death.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:24.29" dur="00:00:04.83">Therefore, the AAP recommends that infants<br/>should be placed on a firm sleep surface covered</p>
    <p begin="00:40:29.12" dur="00:00:03.46">by a fitted sheet with no<br/>other bedding or soft objects</p>
    <p begin="00:40:32.58" dur="00:00:03.25">to reduce the risk of SIDS and suffocation.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:35.83" dur="00:00:03.98">With regards to bumper pads, I&apos;d like<br/>to share the AAP position as stated</p>
    <p begin="00:40:39.81" dur="00:00:02.80">in Monday&apos;s policy statement<br/>and technical report.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:42.61" dur="00:00:04.82">The data show that bumper pads and<br/>similar products attaching to crib slats</p>
    <p begin="00:40:47.43" dur="00:00:04.89">or sides are frequently used with the thought<br/>of protecting infants from injury and indeed,</p>
    <p begin="00:40:52.32" dur="00:00:05.12">bumper pads were initially developed to<br/>prevent head entrapment between crib slats.</p>
    <p begin="00:40:57.44" dur="00:00:06.46">However, newer crib standards requiring<br/>crib slats spacing to be less than 2</p>
    <p begin="00:41:03.90" dur="00:00:05.16">and 3/8 inches have obviated<br/>the need for crib bumpers.</p>
    <p begin="00:41:09.06" dur="00:00:03.30">In addition, infant deaths have<br/>occurred because of bumper pads.</p>
    <p begin="00:41:12.36" dur="00:00:05.24">You&apos;ve already heard from Dr. Scheers and Dr.<br/>Thach and Ms. Covington about their research.</p>
    <p begin="00:41:17.60" dur="00:00:05.92">Dr. Scheers&apos; and Dr. Thach&apos;s case series<br/>using 1985 to 2005 CPSC data found</p>
    <p begin="00:41:23.52" dur="00:00:02.91">that the deaths attributed to<br/>bumper pads occurred as a result</p>
    <p begin="00:41:26.43" dur="00:00:05.28">of three different mechanisms, suffocation<br/>against soft pillow like bumper pads,</p>
    <p begin="00:41:31.71" dur="00:00:04.21">entrapment between the mattress of<br/>the crib and the firm bumper pads,</p>
    <p begin="00:41:35.92" dur="00:00:04.95">and then strangulation from the bumper pad ties.</p>
    <p begin="00:41:40.87" dur="00:00:04.33">However, in 2010, CPSC White Paper<br/>that reviewed the same cases concluded</p>
    <p begin="00:41:45.20" dur="00:00:04.84">that there were other confounding factors such<br/>as the presence of pillows and/or blankets</p>
    <p begin="00:41:50.04" dur="00:00:03.07">that may have contributed to<br/>many of the deaths in the report.</p>
    <p begin="00:41:53.11" dur="00:00:04.95">The White Paper pointed out that available<br/>data from the scene investigations, autopsies,</p>
    <p begin="00:41:58.06" dur="00:00:04.89">law enforcement records and death certificates<br/>often lack sufficiently detailed information</p>
    <p begin="00:42:02.95" dur="00:00:04.49">to conclude how or whether bumper<br/>pads contributed to the deaths.</p>
    <p begin="00:42:07.44" dur="00:00:06.80">Three more recent analyses of CPSC<br/>data have also come to this conclusion.</p>
    <p begin="00:42:14.24" dur="00:00:05.88">The two most recent ones concluded again that<br/>there was insufficient evidence to support</p>
    <p begin="00:42:20.12" dur="00:00:04.29">that bumper pads were primarily<br/>responsible for infant deaths</p>
    <p begin="00:42:24.41" dur="00:00:04.39">when bumper pads were used per<br/>manufacturer instructions and in the absence</p>
    <p begin="00:42:28.80" dur="00:00:02.61">of other unsafe sleep risk factors.</p>
    <p begin="00:42:31.41" dur="00:00:04.50">However, Dr. Scheers and Dr. Thach<br/>in their reanalyses of CPSC databases</p>
    <p begin="00:42:35.91" dur="00:00:03.09">which was published earlier<br/>this year found that the rate</p>
    <p begin="00:42:39.00" dur="00:00:02.87">of bumper pad related deaths has increased.</p>
    <p begin="00:42:41.87" dur="00:00:03.68">Although they recognize that changes in<br/>reporting may account for at least part</p>
    <p begin="00:42:45.55" dur="00:00:04.24">of the increase, they also<br/>concluded that 67% or two-thirds</p>
    <p begin="00:42:49.79" dur="00:00:05.39">of the deaths could have been prevented<br/>if the bumper pads had not been present.</p>
    <p begin="00:42:55.18" dur="00:00:05.09">Other researchers have concluded that the use<br/>of bumper pads only prevents minor injuries</p>
    <p begin="00:43:00.27" dur="00:00:02.78">and that the potential benefits<br/>for preventing minor injury</p>
    <p begin="00:43:03.05" dur="00:00:04.46">with bumper pad use are far outweighed<br/>by the risks of serious injuries</p>
    <p begin="00:43:07.51" dur="00:00:02.80">such as suffocation or strangulation.</p>
    <p begin="00:43:10.31" dur="00:00:04.19">Additionally, most bumper pads<br/>obscure infant and parent visibility</p>
    <p begin="00:43:14.50" dur="00:00:02.95">which may increase parental anxiety.</p>
    <p begin="00:43:17.45" dur="00:00:06.00">There are other products such as mesh crib<br/>liners and crib slat covers that attach</p>
    <p begin="00:43:23.45" dur="00:00:04.20">to crib sides or crib slats and<br/>claim to protect infants from injury.</p>
    <p begin="00:43:27.65" dur="00:00:03.92">However, there are no published<br/>data that support these claims.</p>
    <p begin="00:43:31.57" dur="00:00:06.07">Pediatricians were fond of saying absence<br/>of evidence is not evidence of absence.</p>
    <p begin="00:43:37.64" dur="00:00:04.77">And without published or peer-reviewed data<br/>to demonstrate that these other products</p>
    <p begin="00:43:42.41" dur="00:00:03.66">that attach to crib sides or crib<br/>slats such as the mesh crib liners</p>
    <p begin="00:43:46.07" dur="00:00:08.65">or crib slat covers do not pose a potential<br/>for suffocation, entrapment or strangulation.</p>
    <p begin="00:43:54.72" dur="00:00:04.05">These products cannot claim to be<br/>safer alternatives to crib bumpers</p>
    <p begin="00:43:58.77" dur="00:00:02.40">and the AAP does not recommend their use.</p>
    <p begin="00:44:01.17" dur="00:00:06.88">We urge CPSC to look to peer-reviewed data in<br/>making these and other safe sleep assessments.</p>
    <p begin="00:44:08.05" dur="00:00:04.28">Although nearly 100% of parents are aware<br/>that babies should sleep on their back,</p>
    <p begin="00:44:12.33" dur="00:00:04.68">fewer than 50% are aware that babies should<br/>not sleep with soft bedding and we believe</p>
    <p begin="00:44:17.01" dur="00:00:03.90">that this is largely because of the<br/>confusing messages that parents receive.</p>
    <p begin="00:44:20.91" dur="00:00:05.67">They see advertisement after advertisement for<br/>bedding including crib bumpers and thus believe</p>
    <p begin="00:44:26.58" dur="00:00:03.35">that they are not good parents<br/>unless they provide a soft,</p>
    <p begin="00:44:29.93" dur="00:00:02.68">comfortable sleep environment for their infant.</p>
    <p begin="00:44:32.61" dur="00:00:03.92">Unfortunately, these good<br/>intentions often end up badly.</p>
    <p begin="00:44:36.53" dur="00:00:04.52">We believe that when crib bumpers when<br/>used solely for the use of infant younger</p>
    <p begin="00:44:41.05" dur="00:00:02.61">than six months of age are allowed to be sold.</p>
    <p begin="00:44:43.66" dur="00:00:03.13">This confuses the safe sleep<br/>message for parents.</p>
    <p begin="00:44:46.79" dur="00:00:03.70">I cannot tell you how many times<br/>I&apos;ve heard from a parent the belief</p>
    <p begin="00:44:50.49" dur="00:00:03.66">that if they sell it, it must be safe.</p>
    <p begin="00:44:54.15" dur="00:00:02.99">A surprising number of parents believed<br/>that there is an agency out there</p>
    <p begin="00:44:57.14" dur="00:00:04.91">that tests all infant products before they go<br/>on the market to make sure that they are safe,</p>
    <p begin="00:45:02.05" dur="00:00:02.48">in other words an FDA for infant products.</p>
    <p begin="00:45:04.53" dur="00:00:04.03">Unfortunately, as we all know, there<br/>is no such agency and we understand</p>
    <p begin="00:45:08.56" dur="00:00:04.64">that the CPSC is not a proactive agency<br/>that tests products before they&apos;re sold</p>
    <p begin="00:45:13.20" dur="00:00:04.63">but a reactive agency that<br/>alerts consumers with problems</p>
    <p begin="00:45:17.83" dur="00:00:03.71">with products that are already on the market.</p>
    <p begin="00:45:21.54" dur="00:00:05.21">With regards to reasons that parents use<br/>crib bumpers and the misconceptions therein,</p>
    <p begin="00:45:26.75" dur="00:00:03.69">our qualitative research with mothers of<br/>infants account that the primary reasons</p>
    <p begin="00:45:30.44" dur="00:00:06.25">for purchasing crib bumpers are that, one,<br/>they&apos;re cute and, two, because parents believe</p>
    <p begin="00:45:36.69" dur="00:00:06.59">that crib bumpers will prevent serious injury<br/>largely from head trauma and limb entrapments.</p>
    <p begin="00:45:43.28" dur="00:00:03.30">With regards to head trauma, I&apos;d<br/>like to apologize ahead of time,</p>
    <p begin="00:45:46.58" dur="00:00:06.48">I&apos;m a little bit of a science geek which is why<br/>I&apos;m here and so I&apos;m going to take everybody back</p>
    <p begin="00:45:53.06" dur="00:00:05.49">to high school physics where we<br/>learned the formula F equals MA</p>
    <p begin="00:45:58.55" dur="00:00:03.36">or force equals mass times acceleration.</p>
    <p begin="00:46:01.91" dur="00:00:05.59">So, the force needed to incur major head<br/>trauma, which I consider concussion or worse,</p>
    <p begin="00:46:07.50" dur="00:00:05.75">requires either a large mass or<br/>large acceleration or both, OK.</p>
    <p begin="00:46:13.25" dur="00:00:06.39">So, the 50% are for weight which is<br/>what on earth we use to represent mass.</p>
    <p begin="00:46:19.64" dur="00:00:04.89">For a six-month old, 6.5 kilograms<br/>or approximately 14 pounds, OK,</p>
    <p begin="00:46:24.53" dur="00:00:03.13">and the reason I&apos;m using the example</p>
    <p begin="00:46:27.66" dur="00:00:04.78">of a six-month old is that&apos;s what the<br/>manufacturers have said is the age limit</p>
    <p begin="00:46:32.44" dur="00:00:02.28">for the crib bumpers.</p>
    <p begin="00:46:34.72" dur="00:00:02.70">So, one estimate of the force required</p>
    <p begin="00:46:37.42" dur="00:00:06.51">to sustain a concussion is approximately<br/>95 g-forces or if you use physics units,</p>
    <p begin="00:46:43.93" dur="00:00:05.96">in newtons, which is the universal<br/>unit for forces, 931 newtons.</p>
    <p begin="00:46:49.89" dur="00:00:02.18">I know I&apos;m getting leads here.</p>
    <p begin="00:46:52.07" dur="00:00:06.44">If one assumes that this estimate is true, then<br/>for a 6.5-kilogram baby to generate enough force</p>
    <p begin="00:46:58.51" dur="00:00:04.29">to sustain a concussion, he or she<br/>would need to accelerate at the rate</p>
    <p begin="00:47:02.80" dur="00:00:03.39">of 103 meters per second squared, OK.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:06.19" dur="00:00:02.34">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: I think<br/>you said 143 in your paper.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:08.53" dur="00:00:03.01">&gt;&gt; Dr. Rachel Moon: 143, yes.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:11.54" dur="00:00:04.81">To give you a point of reference, a car<br/>that goes from zero to 60 miles per hour</p>
    <p begin="00:47:16.35" dur="00:00:04.71">in three seconds has an acceleration<br/>of nine meters per second squared.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:21.06" dur="00:00:06.70">So, in other words, an infant, in order to<br/>seriously injure their head against the crib has</p>
    <p begin="00:47:27.76" dur="00:00:04.99">to get a serious running<br/>start and you would need more</p>
    <p begin="00:47:32.75" dur="00:00:03.07">than the crib distance to<br/>get that running start.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:35.82" dur="00:00:04.63">So, the second concern that<br/>parents have is limb entrapment.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:40.45" dur="00:00:03.58">The majority of these entrapments are<br/>reported after the age of six months</p>
    <p begin="00:47:44.03" dur="00:00:02.97">which is past the age limit<br/>for a crib bumper use.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:47.00" dur="00:00:04.57">Therefore, if the product is used<br/>according to manufacturer instructions,</p>
    <p begin="00:47:51.57" dur="00:00:02.62">then the product should not even<br/>be in the crib with these infants</p>
    <p begin="00:47:54.19" dur="00:00:02.91">and therefore would not prevent limb entrapment.</p>
    <p begin="00:47:57.10" dur="00:00:03.67">Even if we consider crib bumper<br/>use after the age of six months,</p>
    <p begin="00:48:00.77" dur="00:00:04.16">I think that all of us would agree that although<br/>they cause momentary distress on both the part</p>
    <p begin="00:48:04.93" dur="00:00:03.06">of the parent and the infant and the caregiver,</p>
    <p begin="00:48:07.99" dur="00:00:05.00">this is a fairly benign condition<br/>compared to infant death.</p>
    <p begin="00:48:12.99" dur="00:00:06.79">We therefore respectfully disagree with and<br/>are admittedly perplexed by CPSC staff finding</p>
    <p begin="00:48:19.78" dur="00:00:03.23">that the risks of bumpers do<br/>not outweigh the benefits.</p>
    <p begin="00:48:23.01" dur="00:00:05.12">We believe the benefits to be nonexistent<br/>particularly if the bumpers are used</p>
    <p begin="00:48:28.13" dur="00:00:04.36">as the manufacturers intend<br/>and the risk to be substantial.</p>
    <p begin="00:48:32.49" dur="00:00:04.11">We also believe that it doesn&apos;t<br/>make sense for the CPSC staff to say</p>
    <p begin="00:48:36.60" dur="00:00:04.47">that there is insufficient evidence to support<br/>that bumper pads were primarily responsible</p>
    <p begin="00:48:41.07" dur="00:00:05.62">for infant deaths when the bumper pads were used<br/>per manufacturer instructions and in the absence</p>
    <p begin="00:48:46.69" dur="00:00:05.92">of other unsafe sleep risk factors and then<br/>used prevention of infant limb entrapment</p>
    <p begin="00:48:52.61" dur="00:00:03.72">by using bumper pads against<br/>manufacturer instructions as a reason</p>
    <p begin="00:48:56.33" dur="00:00:03.87">to not recommend action on bumper pads.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:00.20" dur="00:00:04.69">The CPSC&apos;s own website states that CPSC<br/>is charged with protecting the public</p>
    <p begin="00:49:04.89" dur="00:00:03.82">from unreasonable risks of injury or death<br/>associated with the use of the thousands</p>
    <p begin="00:49:08.71" dur="00:00:03.55">of types of consumer products<br/>under the agency&apos;s jurisdiction.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:12.26" dur="00:00:06.36">CPSC is committed to protecting consumers<br/>and families from products that pose a fire,</p>
    <p begin="00:49:18.62" dur="00:00:02.85">electrical, chemical, or mechanical hazard.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:21.47" dur="00:00:04.78">A ban on crib bumpers unequivocally<br/>meets the standard and mission.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:26.25" dur="00:00:04.55">Crib bumpers are associated with deaths and<br/>they pose a mechanical hazard to infants.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:30.80" dur="00:00:04.99">But rather than recommending a ban on bumpers,<br/>the September staff briefing package seems</p>
    <p begin="00:49:35.79" dur="00:00:05.78">to take the stance that unless death<br/>occurs in association with the bumper--</p>
    <p begin="00:49:41.57" dur="00:00:03.01">crib bumper in the absence<br/>of any other risk factor,</p>
    <p begin="00:49:44.58" dur="00:00:03.47">they will not recommend action to bumpers.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:48.05" dur="00:00:04.54">This is not the agency&apos;s mission and this<br/>is not how pediatricians look at safe sleep.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:52.59" dur="00:00:03.43">On the contrary, when determining<br/>the safety of sleep environment,</p>
    <p begin="00:49:56.02" dur="00:00:02.67">we look at the totality of the circumstances.</p>
    <p begin="00:49:58.69" dur="00:00:04.57">We ask if anyone in the family smokes, if<br/>the baby is breastfeeding or formula feeding,</p>
    <p begin="00:50:03.26" dur="00:00:02.63">and whether the baby-- if<br/>the family is bed-sharing.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:05.89" dur="00:00:04.70">We understand that elimination of each<br/>risk factor can contribute incrementally</p>
    <p begin="00:50:10.59" dur="00:00:01.44">to sleep safety.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:12.03" dur="00:00:03.21">The presence of crib bumpers<br/>is one of these risk factors.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:15.24" dur="00:00:04.70">We also understand that the CPSC has to<br/>look at the overall impact of any action.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:19.94" dur="00:00:02.98">For instance, it is impractical<br/>to ban all soft bedding</p>
    <p begin="00:50:22.92" dur="00:00:03.55">as other population groups<br/>besides infant use soft bedding.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:26.47" dur="00:00:06.32">However, crib bumpers are supposed to be used<br/>only by infants younger than six months of age.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:32.79" dur="00:00:03.86">Therefore, we believe that the ban would<br/>have little or no negative impact on the rest</p>
    <p begin="00:50:36.65" dur="00:00:05.06">of the population but would have a tremendous<br/>positive impact on infant sleep safety.</p>
    <p begin="00:50:41.71" dur="00:00:06.06">If crib bumpers, as they are currently being<br/>used by consumers, whether in cribs with infants</p>
    <p begin="00:50:47.77" dur="00:00:04.97">with quilts, with other soft bedding<br/>or with sleep positioners are involved</p>
    <p begin="00:50:52.74" dur="00:00:05.14">in one infant death after another, the way to<br/>protect the public is to disallow their use not</p>
    <p begin="00:50:57.88" dur="00:00:03.45">to contort reasoning to permit<br/>the use of crib bumpers.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:01.33" dur="00:00:02.67">The staff package clearly states</p>
    <p begin="00:51:04.00" dur="00:00:04.31">that soft bedding is a suffocation<br/>hazard despite its ostensible purpose</p>
    <p begin="00:51:08.31" dur="00:00:01.79">of keeping an infant warm.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:10.10" dur="00:00:02.36">However, the staff package<br/>does not support a ban</p>
    <p begin="00:51:12.46" dur="00:00:05.06">on crib bumpers even though they pose the same<br/>hazards as soft bedding because staffs say</p>
    <p begin="00:51:17.52" dur="00:00:03.24">that bumpers ostensibly serve<br/>the purpose of protecting infants</p>
    <p begin="00:51:20.76" dur="00:00:02.70">from crib-- from limb entrapment.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:23.46" dur="00:00:06.60">This is logically inconsistent, confusing<br/>to consumers, and deadly for infants.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:30.06" dur="00:00:03.61">A ban on crib bumpers would reinforce<br/>the message that no soft bedding</p>
    <p begin="00:51:33.67" dur="00:00:02.94">of any kind should be placed<br/>inside a baby&apos;s crib.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:36.61" dur="00:00:05.60">There&apos;s one surefire way to prevent infant<br/>deaths from crib bumpers, don&apos;t use them ever.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:42.21" dur="00:00:04.78">The AAP reiterates the true quest of<br/>the commission, to ban crib bumpers.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:46.99" dur="00:00:00.92">Thank you.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:47.91" dur="00:00:01.16">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: Thank you very much.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:49.07" dur="00:00:03.38">Just a couple of quick reactions<br/>to what you said.</p>
    <p begin="00:51:52.45" dur="00:00:03.48">First of all, with respect<br/>to education campaigns,</p>
    <p begin="00:51:55.93" dur="00:00:04.99">I think the commission follows the<br/>philosophy that was enunciated by our chairman</p>
    <p begin="00:52:00.92" dur="00:00:04.35">at a recent conference on information and<br/>education which is there&apos;s a hierarchy</p>
    <p begin="00:52:05.27" dur="00:00:04.52">of public health approaches and the<br/>first approach is always to try to design</p>
    <p begin="00:52:09.79" dur="00:00:04.63">out the problem because, as I keep<br/>saying, it&apos;s easier to redesign products</p>
    <p begin="00:52:14.42" dur="00:00:02.61">than it is to redesign consumers.</p>
    <p begin="00:52:17.03" dur="00:00:05.36">And if a redesign won&apos;t work, if it&apos;s<br/>impossible for a variety of reasons,</p>
    <p begin="00:52:22.39" dur="00:00:02.72">then you try to guard against a hazard.</p>
    <p begin="00:52:25.11" dur="00:00:08.05">You put some kind of protective barrier<br/>between the hazard and the consumer.</p>
    <p begin="00:52:33.16" dur="00:00:05.42">And then the third one, if you can&apos;t find<br/>a way to approach either through a redesign</p>
    <p begin="00:52:38.58" dur="00:00:05.25">or through guards is to use education so we<br/>certainly understand education has its place</p>
    <p begin="00:52:43.83" dur="00:00:06.35">but I, for one, am skeptical that education<br/>would ever be beyond and it&apos;s part of a totality</p>
    <p begin="00:52:50.18" dur="00:00:03.34">of approaches and I appreciate<br/>your remarks there.</p>
    <p begin="00:52:53.52" dur="00:00:06.01">Also, I just can&apos;t resist being amused by<br/>your statement that newer crib standards</p>
    <p begin="00:52:59.53" dur="00:00:06.56">on slat width because when I first came to<br/>the commission back in &apos;72, we had that 2</p>
    <p begin="00:53:06.09" dur="00:00:05.37">and 3/8 slat width requirement so that just<br/>makes me feel a little bit younger to hear</p>
    <p begin="00:53:11.46" dur="00:00:02.94">that you&apos;re calling it one of<br/>the newest standards on the--</p>
    <p begin="00:53:14.40" dur="00:00:02.83">&gt;&gt; Dr. Rachel Moon: Well, anything I can<br/>do to make all of us feel younger is--</p>
    <p begin="00:53:17.23" dur="00:00:02.00">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: Yeah.</p>
    <p begin="00:53:19.23" dur="00:00:05.05">I do-- I still remember when I was<br/>talking to one of the staff experts</p>
    <p begin="00:53:24.28" dur="00:00:03.79">which showed my complete<br/>naivety about human factors</p>
    <p begin="00:53:28.07" dur="00:00:03.27">because I&apos;m a lawyer and I<br/>said, what&apos;s the problem?</p>
    <p begin="00:53:31.34" dur="00:00:06.57">The kid can&apos;t stick its head through even<br/>wider slats so why not have wider slats</p>
    <p begin="00:53:37.91" dur="00:00:07.09">and so with his very patient response he said<br/>the problem isn&apos;t that the kid sticking its head</p>
    <p begin="00:53:45.00" dur="00:00:03.93">through the slats, the problem is the head<br/>won&apos;t go through the slats but the body will</p>
    <p begin="00:53:48.93" dur="00:00:01.79">and that&apos;s where you were getting the deaths.</p>
    <p begin="00:53:50.72" dur="00:00:04.25">And that-- the reason I mentioned<br/>that is it&apos;s not intuitive.</p>
    <p begin="00:53:54.97" dur="00:00:06.35">Looking at a crib, you would never imagine<br/>that that&apos;s how death would occur to infants</p>
    <p begin="00:54:01.32" dur="00:00:04.93">and so that&apos;s why it&apos;s so important to have<br/>scientists like folks here and technical experts</p>
    <p begin="00:54:06.25" dur="00:00:02.50">to actually look at the data<br/>and can make expert judgments</p>
    <p begin="00:54:08.75" dur="00:00:02.41">and who actually understand physics side.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:11.16" dur="00:00:02.63">We&apos;ll make one last observation.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:13.79" dur="00:00:03.88">You&apos;re absolutely right that we are not<br/>like the Food and Drug Administration.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:17.67" dur="00:00:03.96">We don&apos;t require pre-market approval<br/>of children&apos;s products although survey</p>
    <p begin="00:54:21.63" dur="00:00:03.71">after survey shows that most<br/>people think we do, but we don&apos;t.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:25.34" dur="00:00:04.58">I will say and again I&apos;m going to give<br/>some congratulations to folks in the room</p>
    <p begin="00:54:29.92" dur="00:00:04.79">but in particular, Nancy Cowles who is one<br/>of the moving spirits behind the requirement</p>
    <p begin="00:54:34.71" dur="00:00:04.83">for third party testing for children&apos;s<br/>products and that is a compromise</p>
    <p begin="00:54:39.54" dur="00:00:06.46">between the FDA pre-market approval<br/>and what the commission operated before</p>
    <p begin="00:54:46.00" dur="00:00:01.80">in the mode you said which was reactive.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:47.80" dur="00:00:06.92">So, we think that is a big step forward and<br/>we have somebody here to thank for that.</p>
    <p begin="00:54:54.72" dur="00:00:04.77">So I thank you very much for<br/>your remarks and, Ms. Gadhia,</p>
    <p begin="00:54:59.49" dur="00:00:03.65">do you have anything to add to Dr. Moon&apos;s--</p>
    <p begin="00:55:03.14" dur="00:00:01.25">&gt;&gt; Ami Gadhia: No, nothing to add.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:04.39" dur="00:00:02.98">Informal comment, I&apos;m just happy to<br/>participate in the discussion later on.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:07.37" dur="00:00:00.37">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: OK.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:07.74" dur="00:00:01.66">Any other comments?</p>
    <p begin="00:55:09.40" dur="00:00:01.49">Thank you so much for your remarks.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:10.89" dur="00:00:02.83">We really appreciate it and I<br/>think we have reached the point</p>
    <p begin="00:55:13.72" dur="00:00:01.65">where we are going to have a break.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:15.37" dur="00:00:00.76">I&apos;m sorry, yes.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:16.13" dur="00:00:00.72">&gt;&gt; Jennifer Feinberg: Just one quick question.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:16.85" dur="00:00:02.17">You mentioned additional<br/>recent analyses, are that--</p>
    <p begin="00:55:19.02" dur="00:00:03.61">are these the articles that were handed<br/>out that you were referencing or--</p>
    <p begin="00:55:22.63" dur="00:00:02.22">&gt;&gt; Dr. Rachel Moon: What was<br/>handed out are the recent--</p>
    <p begin="00:55:24.85" dur="00:00:02.63">the policy statement and the technical report</p>
    <p begin="00:55:27.48" dur="00:00:04.09">that were just released on--<br/>published on Monday.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:31.57" dur="00:00:00.12">&gt;&gt; Jennifer Feinberg: OK.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:31.69" dur="00:00:04.58">And then the recent analyses that you&apos;re<br/>referring to on your remarks on page four--</p>
    <p begin="00:55:36.27" dur="00:00:02.48">&gt;&gt; Dr. Rachel Moon: Let&apos;s see.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:38.75" dur="00:00:02.35">Was that the pediatrics article<br/>from earlier this year?</p>
    <p begin="00:55:41.10" dur="00:00:09.09">The recent analyses-- so the more recent<br/>analyses were the staff briefing package</p>
    <p begin="00:55:50.19" dur="00:00:05.78">and then Dr. Scheers&apos; and<br/>Dr. Thach&apos;s 2016 paper.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:55.97" dur="00:00:01.81">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: Thank you very much.</p>
    <p begin="00:55:57.78" dur="00:00:02.09">We are at a point of taking a break</p>
    <p begin="00:55:59.87" dur="00:00:03.59">and as I said we are running<br/>ahead which is not a bad thing.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:03.46" dur="00:00:06.58">So, why don&apos;t we take a 20-minute break, OK.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:10.04" dur="00:00:02.25">&gt;&gt; So back at 10?</p>
    <p begin="00:56:12.29" dur="00:00:04.10">&gt;&gt; Robert Adler: Well, one of the things we&apos;re<br/>doing is waiting for Dr. Sharfstein so I want</p>
    <p begin="00:56:16.39" dur="00:00:02.08">to make sure we get the timing<br/>right to get him here</p>
    <p begin="00:56:18.47" dur="00:00:04.02">so that he arrives here and<br/>doesn&apos;t leave quickly.</p>
    <p begin="00:56:22.49" dur="00:00:06.97">So, we&apos;ll-- if we have to convene more<br/>quickly to accommodate him, we will.</p>
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